Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

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  • Published: 09 October 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.

    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.

    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,

    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."

    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,

    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"

    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,

    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."

    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!

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Comments • 3 888

  • Looper
    Looper   1 weeks back

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • Painted Solace
      Painted Solace  2 hours back

      @Ben Owen was that not the same person?

    • Originality Am
      Originality Am  6 hours back

      It's multiple choice .

    • Dean W. Thomas
      Dean W. Thomas  6 hours back

      I don’t believe any of it happened except for the final scene.

    • Kenneth Lam
      Kenneth Lam  7 hours back

      @Jeff A. except for this exact movie, because its exactly what the main character would do and has historically done

    • Alexus Ruelaz
      Alexus Ruelaz  10 hours back

      Anything that made him happy was an illusion; a coping mechanism for his loneliness.

  • Jacob Martinez
    Jacob Martinez  1 hours back

    Well this was a waste time

    • Jay Smith
      Jay Smith  1 hours back

      Nice to see that Looper finally found a movie to make videos about other than Avengers Endgame.

      • Dave Deacon
        Dave Deacon  3 hours back

        I actually just commented to my son that I believe the entire story was in his head. That he may not even be The Joker as even the title is vague "Joker". I think this movie is about mental illness and how we (society) needs to try and make some sense of it where none can be made. We need to put him in some sort of category. Notice how everyone tries to make this movie fit what they want to see and quickly criticize anyone who disagrees. I actually hope the director never explains it as like great art, it is in the eye of the beholder.

        • turbo shaft
          turbo shaft  5 hours back

          We don't actually see the joker get captured after the Murray Franklin show so I can only presume that it's the same after he stands on the car so I believe the whole arthur turns into the joker thing is real and he gets captured shortly after he stands on the car but also you cant compare ledger and Phoenix because ledger plays the enemy of batman and Phoenix takes on a different role

          • JRayC2002
            JRayC2002  7 hours back

            Knowing the whole film never happened and that he may not be the real joker ruined the entire film for me, this would of been the best film of the year but the whole dream thing is terrible writing.

            • rah
              rah  7 hours back

              Okay so he just randomly makes up how jokers life is, this a joke.

              • ja bo
                ja bo  9 hours back

                The Joker isn't a person, it's more of a supernatural/demonic identity as old as Gotham city itself. Whether it's through struggling comedian Arthur Fleck or ruthless gangster Jack Napier, "The Joker" will always be around to terrorize and play tricks on the city. That's my takeaway.

                • Stephen Sharma
                  Stephen Sharma  9 hours back

                  Whose the narrator of this video is she as hot as she sounds?

                  • Connor McAnerney
                    Connor McAnerney  10 hours back

                    I read a theory that I personally believe is what the ending means


                    The final scene in Arkham is set in the future, after Bruce became the Batman and captured Joker, that's why he doesn't have his dyed hair anymore. He was thinking back on the night of the riot when the Waynes were killed and puts two and two together that Bruce became the Batman. Thats why the psychiatrist wouldn't get what he's laughing at. He just got the ultimate punchline: he was the one to create the Batman.

                    • kristin
                      kristin  11 hours back

                      this isn’t a movie about the comic book characters at all. This is a commentary on our social system and our treatment of mentally ill and low income people. It’s genius to use the joker theme as a format to bring these messages to the forefront to be discussed. That is what we are meant to discuss, not if Batman is coming or if his experiences were real or imagined.

                      • Essmat Arafa
                        Essmat Arafa  12 hours back

                        Sure Nolan is better than you !

                        • savin padencherry
                          savin padencherry  12 hours back

                          If this isn't the real joker then I'm pretty sure a lot of viewers would as disappointed in the movie as they were impressed by it.. I hope it doesn't turn out that way... Then the movie would turn out to have a lot of plotholes

                          • Mosta Ali
                            Mosta Ali  14 hours back

                            no idea why is it necessary to link to a "Joker character" its all fiction anyway, but I don't like the idea that a story is only imagination in someone head we already know a movie story is mind born why make it double fake

                            • Wulfarath
                              Wulfarath  15 hours back

                              I wouldn't take that as a certainty. Directors have always lied about what their next film would hold. So people wouldn't have certain expectations. It may be wishful thinking in the end. But that's the story I'm sticking with.

                              • big sarge
                                big sarge  15 hours back

                                So basically this video didn’t explain shit. Thanks

                                • gangrail
                                  gangrail  16 hours back

                                  Him saying no batman might be a mis direction, i would love the next film for batman to face hin and they present the trailer as a joker movie and not show batman in it

                                  • PMC05
                                    PMC05  17 hours back

                                    3 words: Bales American Psycho

                                    • Ge In
                                      Ge In  18 hours back

                                      Uh, it's fiction. Tommorow he can be written as a turnip who loves hello kitty parades. You're all morons.

                                      • Elias Ortiz
                                        Elias Ortiz  18 hours back

                                        Nope, made to much money. They made it ambiguous at the end for story telling first off, and safe keeping just in case it made more money than they thought since it's R Rated .so sequel is most likely inevitable. Plus it's a fucking amazing movie I've seen in years no joke. WB can't turn down all this $$ lol they are doubling that budget next movie😂

                                        • Elias Ortiz
                                          Elias Ortiz  18 hours back

                                          After he killed murrAy! was a genuine laugh I thought

                                          • DH_Artist
                                            DH_Artist  20 hours back

                                            what I found funny, this may be just my sick mind, is that before walking in the hallway, he starts singing some of the lyrics to “That’s Life”, particularly “some people get their kicks, stomping on a dream” and we see his bloody footprints. So clearly he was stomping on her, probably stomping her brains out. Kinda a play on it, but again that’s probably just my twisted mind. I’d just like to think maybe that’s what the joke he was thinking about was. I sure as hell found it funny after watching it the second time 😂

                                            • Amazing Facts Kannada
                                              Amazing Facts Kannada  20 hours back

                                              I like phoenix laughing

                                              • jonathan lopez
                                                jonathan lopez  21 hours back

                                                Arthur fletcher is joker but not the joker that villan is the one that kills tomas wane and drops in a quimical bath after ala nicolson leto but not ledger.

                                                • Public Safety.
                                                  Public Safety.  1 days back

                                                  The joker was in handcuffs during the last scene? If it was just all his imagination why was he in cuffs? He have had to have done something bad in order to be cuffed up like that right?

                                                  • Gaunter O' Dimm
                                                    Gaunter O' Dimm  1 days back

                                                    I'm not a big fan of Arthur not being the actual Joker, it kind of takes away from the movie.

                                                    • Ryan Petersen
                                                      Ryan Petersen  1 days back

                                                      Before seeing the movie:
                                                      "The Joker's not supposed to have a backstory"
                                                      After seeing the movie:
                                                      "What the fuck so was that his backstory or not? What a ripoff copout ending!"

                                                      • Melissa Magan
                                                        Melissa Magan  1 days back

                                                        But i wanna know NOW LOL

                                                        • Dustin Fox
                                                          Dustin Fox  1 days back

                                                          Pennys Bf created the most iconic villain in comic book history

                                                          • Mostafa Abdelmawla
                                                            Mostafa Abdelmawla  1 days back

                                                            The clocks are always 11:11 everywhere in the movie, except on the show with Murry it's 10:37, I'm not sure what that means!

                                                            • aUstin
                                                              aUstin  1 days back

                                                              He should of said “it’s just a prank bro” at the end of the talk show scene

                                                              • L
                                                                L  1 days back

                                                                I think if this was all imaginary then it would ruin the story because. I loved the movie because you can truly see and understand and feel for Arthur and why he became the Joker. If he Arthur isn't really the joker or this story is fake then the audience has just lost that relatability to the Joker

                                                                • Martin Macdonald
                                                                  Martin Macdonald  1 days back

                                                                  Joker would have been better if that last scene was cut. The ending should have been Joker dancing on the hood of the police car. That hospital scene detracted from the film.

                                                                  • Martin Macdonald
                                                                    Martin Macdonald  1 days back

                                                                    Whatever. I hope we don't get a slew of 'director's cuts' and 'my interpretation' from various contributors to this masterpiece. Many people create a film. Sometimes many cooks do make a good broth.

                                                                    • J2x
                                                                      J2x  1 days back

                                                                      So we would be getting another actor playing joker? When this man did an awesome job! Smh. That’ll be a L

                                                                      • C
                                                                        C  1 days back

                                                                        I’ve got a theory that the Joker is actually Bruce Wayne’s heart / soul. Everything that the Joker does is actually an expression of Bruce Wayne’s changing feelings towards his Father. Bruce’s desire to bring joy and laughter to his Father (his whole world at that point/as a kid). When Joker came to visit his home. That was Bruce’s attempt to bring joy and laughter into the family home. But his Father didn’t allow joy and laughter or joking in his home. A child is meant to bring their parents joy. Joke around with them together. But when joker (Bruce’s Heart) confronts Thomas in the bathroom, Thomas rejects ‘Bruce’s (up until then) hidden desire to connect with him on that level permanently. From that point on, Bruce became his Fathers enemy in his heart (‘you don’t want to Joke with me? I’ll make you joke with me!?!’) .. and he believed in his heart he wanted to kill his Father / parents. Tear down everything his father valued above himself.
                                                                        But that last scene was where Joker (taking the viewpoint that he is Bruce’s heart) has a sense of relief that the people who prevented him from laughing / joking were no longer able to do so.. dead. but he would never be able to joke freely again. As he is trapped in shame (the asylum)
                                                                        This is why Batman is ‘so serious’.
                                                                        He once wanted to bring joy and laughter to the world (his fathers world), but now that childhood dream is gone. An impossibility.
                                                                        The ironic laugh in the end in the white room was that he realized that he didn’t truly want to kill his father but kill himself. And failed to accomplish this. He instead only managed to kill his own innocent + pure dream of making his Father laugh. Connect with him on a deeper emotional / personal level. Not just be a symbol of his social status / an appendage.
                                                                        So the battle between Batman and Joker from here on in in the story universe is that Joker is Batman’s suicidal ideation. His desire to kill himself. End his own life that he must battle with daily.

                                                                        • Thomas Pålsson
                                                                          Thomas Pålsson  1 days back

                                                                          A story that's essantially entirely open for interpretation is not a story at all. It's just verbal fragments bereft of any real value.

                                                                          Hack writing.

                                                                          • Calvin Tai
                                                                            Calvin Tai  1 days back

                                                                            When he said those words on Murray's talk show, I got mad chills. It's so true.

                                                                            • Mr.VelociDeltaDerp
                                                                              Mr.VelociDeltaDerp  1 days back

                                                                              Damn, I really want this movie's Joker to be the actual Joker that faces off with Batman! I don't care how, I just wanna! This Joker has so much potential, from what I'm getting from the movie, so if he doesn't live up to it at the end, if the Joker that faces off with Batman is just some 'fanboy' of this Joker, then I'm done, man!

                                                                              • Cata Tonic
                                                                                Cata Tonic  1 days back

                                                                                This movie is defined by one simple point - Psychopathy is no joke.





                                                                                Art? Depth? Layers?... nah!
                                                                                Garbage?... yes!

                                                                                • Cata Tonic
                                                                                  Cata Tonic  1 days back

                                                                                  So basically this wasnt a story, it was art. Lmao i'd hang myself if i couldnt tell a decent story while having a college education. Its like having an art degree and making stick figure murals.

                                                                                  • nycmanowar
                                                                                    nycmanowar  1 days back

                                                                                    If they did want to do it ..an older Joker and younger Batman could work..like Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker. Instead of, No Luke..I am your father..it could be, Brucie, I'm your brother. (He may or may not be..but..it's a good plot twist). Could be a reason why Joker doesn't really want to kill Batman..but then, Joker would have to know Batman is Bruce Wayne at some point

                                                                                    • Darren Frey
                                                                                      Darren Frey  1 days back

                                                                                      Has anyone ever seen the fan film called Joker Rising that came out about 5 or 6 years ago? Being a fan film, obviously it isn't over the top on a budget or actors or anything like that, but for what it is, I loved it and while there is a glimpse of Batman, the story is entirely about how the Joker becomes the Joker. I love that they are focusing on him considering he is just as popular as Batman is.

                                                                                      • Preston  Sturgis
                                                                                        Preston Sturgis  1 days back

                                                                                        Only Dceu would be stupid enough to not build off of they're only critical and box office success since the Dark Knight rises. Yeah Wonder woman was good but I think it's worth it to kill it off if it means we can get a new batman

                                                                                        • DVD Video
                                                                                          DVD Video  2 days back

                                                                                          In my opinion joker is good and the world is evil

                                                                                          • H.A.K
                                                                                            H.A.K  2 days back

                                                                                            The psychiatrist looked awfully calm when talking to Arthur. It must be all in his head. xD

                                                                                            • Cesare
                                                                                              Cesare  2 days back

                                                                                              The truth is: we dont really care, we dont want to hear that it was just in his head or that it was real, the most important thing is the message " we are all clowns". Ahahahahahahahaha

                                                                                              • M3nta
                                                                                                M3nta  2 days back

                                                                                                no.
                                                                                                i want Joaquin to be the joker.
                                                                                                omfg if it will be someone else im gonna crack.
                                                                                                please oh please he was so good dont ruin it for me.